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| Topic: drug users | | Posted : 28/08/08 / Views : 3433 / Replies : | | | | ok so there are some who need halluciogenics to achieve that so called spiritual high, but do the consider the fact that a lot of these drugs might have been tested on animals, might have been created in a laboritory such as lsd which wastes so much energy, how can these people call themselves caring, green, spiritual etc when they need chemical substances to get them to the level i feel i can reach without such chemicaly contoled drugs?#
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| | [add your comments | all topics] | | | | Reply #1: Re: drug users | | Posted : 02/07/08 | | | | Well... everything has been tested on animals. Even Quorn. Even water I believe!
I don't condone using LSD and the like though. I have never touched the stuff (hearing about a woman peeling herself down to the bone because she thought she was an orange was enough to put me off!).
I suppose they probably do ongoing research on animals to TRY and see how harmful drugs are. Do you include cigarettes? I remember hearing how beagles were forced to inhale cigarette smoke because of the worry humans getting ill from it. Oh, and I've heard that Nestle test/have tested their coffee on mice to see its carcinogenic effects.
I know someone (or rather, knew someone) - a vegetarian - who regularly consumed magic mushrooms and told me when he was high on them he could see all the suffering in the world and that animals didn't suffer that much. If you knew him you'd also see that he's the biggest tw@t in the world. So I guess perhaps these people don't actually care much at all about the animals, as long as they can make their day a bit more interesting. |
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| | | Reply #2: Re: drug users | | Posted : 03/07/08 | | | | Yes i dated one recently, he gave me all the crap about needing to take lsd to see beauty, become spiritual. I did try it, dont think it made much difference to be honest cause i see beauty in trees, nature, animals, water even people sometimes.
Poor old thing also needed to take drugs to help him dance all night and enjoy his music. How sad is that. Seems he liked to push them on others too, if he dated a girl she had to be just like him or he didnt want to know and sadly the drugs were a huge part of his life.
Seems most of these guys who need these substances and use spirituality as an excuse are just cheating themselves but to call themselves buddhists for example is making a mockery out of that faith.
Hey maybe we dated the same guy cause this one was a bit of a tw@t too. |
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| | | Reply #3: Re: drug users | | Posted : 03/07/08 | | | | | Yeah, I don't think it's got anything to do with spirituality. It's just chemicals f*cking up your body! |
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| | | Reply #4: Re: drug users | | Posted : 05/07/08 | | | | Firstly, You need to distinguish betwen need and want. People who need drugs are addicts. No hallucinogen, (or entheogen as they are now called) is addictive. Drugs may be used intelligently in the persuance of deeper spiritual understanding. This practice goes back many thousands of years. The practitioners are called shamen. Don't dimiss the accumulated wealth of spiritual knowledge of thousands of years and just about every culture and civilisation that has ever existed from north and south american indians to africans to siberians by biasing your opinions from your western european, 21st century perspective. The fund of human experience is much wider than you or I can possibly imagine. We can learn much from civilisations that had a much better understanding of their place in the world and actually lived in harmony with it - unike the culture that we are embedded in.
Try reading up on it before dimissing it entirely
Here are a couple of books you might find interesting:
"Breaking open the head" by Daniel Pinchbeck
"The Way of the Shaman" by Michael Harner
Peace, love & enlightenment to you |
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| | | Reply #5: Re: drug users | | Posted : 05/07/08 | | | | Oh and Albet Hoffman, (who died this year aged 102) - a regular LSD taker, intellectual and philosopher who expounded a harmonious relationship between humanity and the rest of this planet. Actually tested LSD on himself - this is how he discovered its effects.
It's a derivative of the ergot fungus found growing on wheat.
So - entirely vegan!
Peace, love and Enlightenment |
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| | | Reply #6: Re: drug users | | Posted : 05/07/08 | | | | Well....yes there are of cause two sides to this, firstly I have no need of drugs, my life is high enough, enjoy almost every minute, found that those that do are lonely and depressed, but have friends who do it, their lives are in chaos, in and out of work, wetting the bed, total mess when it comes to personal hygiene. It's absolute nonsense to beleive that you reach a spiritual high through drugs, you can acheive this through having a clean body and mind.
Besides a Japanese woman Yona Minagawa age 114 years never smoked, took drugs or alcohol, food is just fish and vegetables and she is just an example, we can see the music and Hollywood set everyday in and out of rehabilitation centres, through trying to reach that next spiritual stage which their money can't buy, but don't get me wrong, I can't live without music and most of what I live on was made by those who take the stuff, so if you like drugs do it, be happy, it's your life, but don't mess it up for others or steal to support the habit. In a macbeth type of way it's a little funny thinking about a happy chimp having a puff or two. |
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| | | Reply #7: Re: drug users | | Posted : 05/07/08 | | | | Briefly, I agree with the last poster that drugs are not necessary to enjoy oneself or achieve spiritual enlightentment, etc.....and I take your point about the crime and other damage that can be caused by some kinds of drug.
I also agree with all NiceDream says in the initial part, but just one point; I'm not aware that any illegal drugs are tested on animals. There is certainly no compulsory testing regime for them (how could there be?), nor quality control which is another reason for not indulging!
Even legal pharmaceutical drugs don't have to be tested on animals by law in the UK I believe, which makes it even more amazing that they are so, given the proven unreliability of such tests, but that's another topic entirely! |
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| | | Reply #8: Re: drug users | | Posted : 06/07/08 | |  | | anonymous |
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| | | Isn't a 'spiritual high' just an hallucination? |
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| | | Reply #9: Re: drug users | | Posted : 06/07/08 | | | | | Skag dealers often test their gear on cats to see if it's safe - I believe it's not uncommon for the RSPCA to come across cats addicted to heroin. As for a 'spiritual high' - and I'm not being judgemental here - but I agree with cabbageshoes that it's entirely a physical response to the drugs. |
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| | | Reply #10: Re: drug users | | Posted : 06/07/08 | | | | I think spiritual highs might be worth another thread?
I don't think they test water on animals, this can be done through other means, maybe it was for drinking. |
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