| | Topic: veg et arian strict ness | | Posted : 03/03/10 / Views : 2263 / Replies : | | |  | The last question, "vegetarian strictness:", is confusing me
Does it mean your own diet etc, or the mininum you want your prospective partner to be?!
Some specifically write that they are vegan and/or extremely animal friendly in their descriptions etc, then select the "vegetarian" box :-S
And some have been "vegetarian" for "10+ years"
I think most people here (with the exception of me of corse) are reasonably intelligent (and knowledgable of the issues), and know the difference between vegan and vegetarian in a context where both options exist, at least philosophically
Either way, there are many who have selected "vegetarian", and i don't understand why someone would come to a site which specializes in animal rights animal lovers etc and only hope for something less than ideal?
It's even more confusing if they have selected "vegetarian" because they are themselves, especially in the UK compared to somewhere like USA
Everyone and their sisters seem to be "vegetarian" in the UK, at least, that's what i find
Even the female police officers are "vegetarian" here!
At least, that's what they tell me..!
I've read through a number of previous posts and profiles, male and female, and they are waayy more hardcore than the relatively more common "vegetarian"
I'm not trying to create a rift, but is it ever possible to be completely vegan practically?
For example, i walk around in a decade old leather jacket, the only jacket i've still got left, and some similarly old hand-made leather gloves
Probably no-one would question if they were PU or PVC etc, and no-one would even think i eat like a vegan, but i *consume* no animal products, and my carbon and pain footprint etc is close to zero
Does that make me not a vegan?
I don't think so.
Also, what about bone-china?
Although i have none of that stuff, and toilets etc aside, i have a fetish for anything made from porcelain, but bones are the only thing left after something dies even 'naturally'
Even dinosaur bones are still around obviously, almost like a POP, that arguably proves how tough a material they are, and potential usefulness
What do you guys think?
Happy happy joy joy to all! :-D |
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| | [add your comments | all topics] | | | | Reply #1: Re: veg et arian strict ness | | Posted : 07/02/10 | |  | | anonymous |
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| | Hi Puy
On the profile "vegetarian strictness:", I would think, since it is about "your" profile, it refers to your own diet…
about the minimum you want your prospective partner to be, should be the same?! Shouln't it?, I mean, would you demand from someone to do what you don't do?
I think not everybody knows and understands fully the way the food industry works…it would be obvious that if you don't eat an animal, then, that would protect it from the killing, etc…and that is what the less well inform people who care for animals do…they become vegetarian because they think that's what is required to end the pain inflicted on animals…the true is different, I am aware of it now…but some people don't know the cruelly related with milk production, eggs…and many other things like cosmetics, medicines….they often naively actually think that animals will be spare and look after humanely if we don't kill them to eat them…people don't born "Knowing", and it's easy to know or be aware of the obvious, but the less obvious you actually have to dig deep to find out yourself…
I, myself I am vegetarian (and I do care for animals), I cannot call myself a vegan, though I don't eat cheese, milk, eggs etc anymore (I did before) because I know that some of things I might eat might contain milk, etc? Anyway, people have the right to make their judgments as far as other strictness goes…
I don't think this site specializes in animal rights animal lovers? I think you are confusing…This site is for vegetarians and vegans, singles, online dating, as far as I know, many vegans and veggies, are so because they like animals and don't like the way industry uses them…but that is different than saying that this site specializes on animal right…etc
Actually you can see that some members are not veggie or vegan because of animal issues, many have health reasons, perhaps some would be concern with the environment only? There is the option where you can choose to include moral reason or not, and some decide not to choose that…
I don't know anything about the USA, so I cannot comment on that, but I think they are the most veggie unfriendly place on earth by my own travel experience!
Well, I would not wear that leather jacket if I was you there are many cheap fake stuff on online shopping (vegan sites)…I just bought some really cozy boots for £20, there is really no excuse to wear leather
; )))))) Since I don't eat them, I don't want to wear them either…I don't know about my footprint but I hope it is not too bad?! I am a cold person, so I have to have the central heat on, that should make my footprint go above zero ; ))))))
I think, it is possible to become a vegan, but it takes a lot of effort, because the world out there is not helping…but I have heard the "Raw" VEGAN dieters are 100% vegan in their diet (I am not sure if I would like that?) so if they dress vegan (no animal products), they should be 100% vegans?
Now I would like to put a question too:
I have a poor health, so I take medication, I wonder if this medication has been tested on animals? I bet it was, what should I do then? If I don't take it my health will deteriorate and I would eventually die, what would you do in my place? I want to be ethical…what do you think is right? |
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| | | Reply #2: Re: veg et arian strict ness | | Posted : 07/02/10 | | | | I think that bone china is a product of the slaughter industry, more than animals dying naturally puy.
But as to wearing old leather items, or buying leather shoes from a charity shop etc. thats recycling, not causing further suffering. I dont personally wear leather, but it would not stop you being called a vegan in my view. |
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| | | Reply #3: Re: veg et arian strict ness | | Posted : 09/02/10 | | | | Of corse you are right about the bone-china Vegancakes, there is currently no way to know where the materials are sourced.. unless you make bone-china objects yourself.. and it is quite a popular hobby..
That's a nice explanation Rivers, which only you could have made! :-D
I think some people are new vegetarians though, and come to a vegetarian site like this, to meet people, and probably a partner too, who know more than they do about the lifestyle
Some want a teacher
If the *intention* is to not consume any animal products, even if there are trace amounts of milk etc in things that are bought and eaten etc, don't you think the term "vegan" is still more appropriate?
Although this site is for "veggies", from reading the profiles, don't you think the *majority* of singles here, looking for "romance", would also be animal-lovers and concerned with animal-rights?
Therefore, when someone comes to a site like this, are they not likely to have the potential of meeting people like this anyway, even *if* the nature of the site is not explicitly stated as such on the site?
But i would say, out of the 7 forums on VR, one of them is named "Animal Rights", a touchy subject, and it has the highest number of subject posts after the obligatory generic forum named "General Chat", which itself is largely composed of posts about animals and AR!
I would argue that this site does specialize in discussing animal-rights, and it is full of animal lovers too! |
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| | | Reply #4: Re: veg et arian strict ness | | Posted : 09/02/10 | | | | On the subject of clothes...
Although i am totally insane regardless, i have almost no vices
It's not a question of money at all
I modify and make my own clothes, and new stuff to make, is not what i am doing right now just yet
Of corse, it's something i want to sort out, because wearing leather promotes wearing leather, which most people buy new and therefore contribute to animal suffering
I used to ride a motorbike, and the equipment i wore, especially the helmet, has saved me from being killed many times in many crashes
The leather clothes, specifically, have prevented many scars
There are plastic options like aromatic nylon and uni-directional UHMWPE, but they are not as effective in practice
I would say, riding a motorbike, i've caused less accidents.. crashed into less cars or other motorists, and crashed into less pedestrians and animals, than others driving a car and not wearing any leather
It should also be noted that there are arguably absolutely no products on Earth that haven't involved some form of animal suffering as part of their history
Even the cheap fake plastics used to make the vegan clothes you mentioned would have been tested on animals
Even the surfactant used to make PTFE (one of the most common coatings used in 'non-stick' cookware), even if not explicity tested on animals, has caused animals (cows) to die when they came into contact with them in their water supplies
Probably every element on the periodic table has been tested on animals to see how much will kill them
All products were invented and created by people, and those people may likely have been meat-eaters, and those products would simply not be available if it wasn't for that meat-eater, and puting meat on the table, may have been the motivation, and meat, the energy, for that meat-eater
A person can go crazy digging too deep into these things
I think that ship sailed for me a long time ago! |
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| | | Reply #5: Re: veg et arian strict ness | | Posted : 09/02/10 | | | | Many health problems, even before birth, are caused by poor diet and lifestyle choices in the first place, and it is unlikely there is only one solution or treatment to a medical condition
In any case, isn't being a 'vegan', for the ethical ones, about *minimizing* harm?
Well, i think those who talk about being 100% Raw Vegans and such, are elitists (similar to those who talk about 'wild-caught' food)
It is expensive, impractical, and unsustainable, and doesn't have any significant positive effect on personal health, animals, or the planet
But they are vegans, so they are cool! |
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| | | Reply #6: Re: veg et arian strict ness | | Posted : 09/02/10 | | | | One more thing.. on the subject of central heating..
I don't use it
I walk around naked at home most of the time
To keep warm, i run on a treadmill
(That last one is not true - i don't have a treadmill...) ;-p |
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| | | Reply #7: Re: veg et arian strict ness | | Posted : 09/02/10 | | | | Why did you not tick the "Hindu" box Rivers?
It is right near the Jain and Buddhist (and Christian) boxes which you did tick
Is there some aspect of the Hindu religion you don't like?
My understanding is they are quite similar... |
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| | | Reply #8: Re: veg et arian strict ness | | Posted : 10/02/10 | | | | anonymous |
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| | | I know about jainism and buddism, but I don't know about Hinduism??? so I don't think I should pick something I don't know what it is...I pick the others because there are parts of it that I like (agree) and find interesting and I think it is a good thing to take in...but has it is also chosen, I am Agnostic.... |
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| | | Reply #9: Re: veg et arian strict ness | | Posted : 10/02/10 | | | | anonymous |
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| | | naked around the house??? that's horrible, put some clothes on for god's sack, have some decency...I will never make you avisit LOL ;))) |
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| | | Reply #10: Re: veg et arian strict ness | | Posted : 10/02/10 | | | | anonymous |
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| | | I meant to say "God's sake"...sorry LOL |
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